Comments on: Poor Miss Loveless & Her Sister http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/poor-miss-loveless-her-sister/ Over 500 articles from Michael and Debi Pearl on Child Training, Homeschooling, Family, Marriage, Christianity, the Bible, Missions, Simple Living, Gardening, and other topics! Fri, 18 May 2012 19:40:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Roberta http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/poor-miss-loveless-her-sister/#comment-7508 Roberta Sun, 04 Mar 2012 20:12:52 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=2843#comment-7508 Wow! I don't feel at all disdained as a woman by any of the Pearl's writings or teaching. I actually feel liberated to be a woman and to be the woman, wife and mother God has called me to be. Wow! I don’t feel at all disdained as a woman by any of the Pearl’s writings or teaching. I actually feel liberated to be a woman and to be the woman, wife and mother God has called me to be.

]]> By: Jenna http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/poor-miss-loveless-her-sister/#comment-3024 Jenna Fri, 29 Oct 2010 06:31:52 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=2843#comment-3024 I was so blessed by the insights Mrs. Pearl shared in this article! I wish all mothers could read it. My best friend's family cut her off in bitterness and hurt, because her husband respectfully led his family and refused to be controlled by his mother in law. Please, PLEASE all you mothers who read this, love your daughters and grandchildren MORE than your own convictions and opinions!!! I was so blessed by the insights Mrs. Pearl shared in this article! I wish all mothers could read it. My best friend’s family cut her off in bitterness and hurt, because her husband respectfully led his family and refused to be controlled by his mother in law. Please, PLEASE all you mothers who read this, love your daughters and grandchildren MORE than your own convictions and opinions!!!

]]> By: Jennifer http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/poor-miss-loveless-her-sister/#comment-3023 Jennifer Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:33:04 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=2843#comment-3023 I admit, I used to think of you Pearls as repressive woman-haters. But looking deeper into your words for wives and articles, I've been so blessed! You have not at all been blinded by oppressive views, unlike many in the Vision Forum groupthink, for ex, but instead have encouraged young adults to BE young adults-responsible, smart, loving, and answering only to God as authority now. God bless you!! Well done! I admit, I used to think of you Pearls as repressive woman-haters. But looking deeper into your words for wives and articles, I’ve been so blessed! You have not at all been blinded by oppressive views, unlike many in the Vision Forum groupthink, for ex, but instead have encouraged young adults to BE young adults-responsible, smart, loving, and answering only to God as authority now. God bless you!! Well done!

]]> By: Christy http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/poor-miss-loveless-her-sister/#comment-3022 Christy Thu, 16 Sep 2010 06:19:17 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=2843#comment-3022 I do enjoy your articles. Even though my husband and I do not agree with your theology we still regard you as brothers and sisters in Christ. We have gracefully come to understand that agreements are not neccesarialy important in all aspects of the great walk of following Christ our Lord. Anyways, I would like to comment on some of the statements made by Debi, please give a listening ear to my thoughts. I really think Debi seems to give a much needed but harsh view on wives, mothers, and women in general, with no Grace attatched. i see it as a new form of Christian feminism. I am not saying this to condemn or slander but to just bring to the table the very valid thoughts,and conerns of many families caught up in the NGJ posts and theology. I am very aware of your devout study of the Word, your sincere desire to please our Great Lord. But many times there is an under current of disdain for women in general. Women were precious to our Lord, He made us and created us. Did we forget that Mary Magdelene was the first one to "Scream" about His resurrection, she was sovereingly given that chance. He has care and concern for us women, and that is what women need, bc that is how we were created, with a need for care and concern. I really do love how you give it to women point blank, but you have to admit that you still have to nuture that which our Lord created, and that is the womans emotional makeup. The womans emotional makeup is not sinful, as you guys have said, but it was created. It was created by a Great Jesus Christ that loves the women He created, dearly. I have gotten that many times. I was actually told by my husband that I could not read or listen to any of your teachings bc of the harshness you display towards women, Even though it is very passive agressive. Patrick did a very extensive study of your theology and beliefs, with much prayer, Biblical studies over the last 6 months, and --no blog posts--, he didnt need that prideful boost. My husband and I got down on our knees and read the Word for ourselves to decide what Christ had for us. We stopped asking Mike and Debi Pearl, we stopped asking JAmes Dobson, we stopped asking 700 club, we stopped asking Vision forum, and the list goes on and on.... But what a great thing happened! God answered us bc He is a Faithful and all knowing Lord, and allowed us to decide what was right for our family, what was right for each unique creation that He created ( each child). It wasnt nicley packaged in a parenting book, labeled ---From God our Father---. I know you DO NOT say that on your books , we all know you definately imply it. We are all different and all need a different touch. Just like we give each of our children, The God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ, gives that same but different touch to us, according to His Word. i have not benefited from the TTUaC bc my children were harmed by that theology and also many other things that the Pearls teach. I assume by now that you will decline my post bc truth is truth. But honesty is not allowed. Our family put alot of stock into your products and ways of life that has cost of tens of thousands of dollars to recoup the emotional and spiritual damage done. Please dont mention the time it has taken to recoup from such teachings as yours. Just as Christ asks us to ask forgiveness for our sins, I believe you guys have many sins against many parents , families, fathers, mothers, wives, husbands, and children. But your ministry refuses to bring to the table all the concerns of real christians and ask for forgiveness. We understand that you guys believe that you no longer sin, but I will warn you of the scripture verse of 1John, Im sure we all know it. Especially a man of your studied stature, "whoever claims to be without sin" etc... The questions of your pridefullness about how you have lifes problems solved, all the while claiming Chrsit as your source! What if you just said this is what worked for your family without saying that it is Biblical. That would be great, bc your books are not "hands down Biblical, or even extra Biblical, that is for the catholics. Many times you guys claim that your teachings are some extra biblical teachings that if you do not follow you will be cursed for life. Believe me i know you do not say that word for word, but you guys definately make many familes feel that way. You guys make families feel like you guys have some wisdom from God that He was not able to give them Himself. Personally I think that is very prideful, but generally I think you guys need to clarify for those "weak christians" that you guys are only a guide to Christ Himself and not in the end all be all. Bc if what you guys had to say was sooo important that people would not of survived without it, Im sure Christ Himself would have posted it in HIS WORD! Michael and Debi Pearl come verrrrry close to presuming they are next to Christ. I say this bc they say that if you dont train your children like I we say in our books, then you will have rebellious children that go to hell. well sorry Mr. Pearl youve only been a parent 5 times in 1-2 generations, our Christ has been a parent for many mor egenerations than you. You seem to think you have a hands down knowledge of parenting, husbandism, christianism, wifeism, and Christism. This is a very harsh declaration wqithout acknowleging that Christ gave you the ability to live free, bc He fulfilled the for YOU, but only Christ has everything Hands Down. I do enjoy your articles. Even though my husband and I do not agree with your theology we still regard you as brothers and sisters in Christ. We have gracefully come to understand that agreements are not neccesarialy important in all aspects of the great walk of following Christ our Lord. Anyways, I would like to comment on some of the statements made by Debi, please give a listening ear to my thoughts. I really think Debi seems to give a much needed but harsh view on wives, mothers, and women in general, with no Grace attatched. i see it as a new form of Christian feminism. I am not saying this to condemn or slander but to just bring to the table the very valid thoughts,and conerns of many families caught up in the NGJ posts and theology. I am very aware of your devout study of the Word, your sincere desire to please our Great Lord. But many times there is an under current of disdain for women in general. Women were precious to our Lord, He made us and created us. Did we forget that Mary Magdelene was the first one to “Scream” about His resurrection, she was sovereingly given that chance. He has care and concern for us women, and that is what women need, bc that is how we were created, with a need for care and concern. I really do love how you give it to women point blank, but you have to admit that you still have to nuture that which our Lord created, and that is the womans emotional makeup. The womans emotional makeup is not sinful, as you guys have said, but it was created. It was created by a Great Jesus Christ that loves the women He created, dearly. I have gotten that many times. I was actually told by my husband that I could not read or listen to any of your teachings bc of the harshness you display towards women, Even though it is very passive agressive. Patrick did a very extensive study of your theology and beliefs, with much prayer, Biblical studies over the last 6 months, and –no blog posts–, he didnt need that prideful boost. My husband and I got down on our knees and read the Word for ourselves to decide what Christ had for us. We stopped asking Mike and Debi Pearl, we stopped asking JAmes Dobson, we stopped asking 700 club, we stopped asking Vision forum, and the list goes on and on…. But what a great thing happened! God answered us bc He is a Faithful and all knowing Lord, and allowed us to decide what was right for our family, what was right for each unique creation that He created ( each child). It wasnt nicley packaged in a parenting book, labeled —From God our Father—. I know you DO NOT say that on your books , we all know you definately imply it. We are all different and all need a different touch. Just like we give each of our children, The God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ, gives that same but different touch to us, according to His Word. i have not benefited from the TTUaC bc my children were harmed by that theology and also many other things that the Pearls teach. I assume by now that you will decline my post bc truth is truth. But honesty is not allowed. Our family put alot of stock into your products and ways of life that has cost of tens of thousands of dollars to recoup the emotional and spiritual damage done. Please dont mention the time it has taken to recoup from such teachings as yours. Just as Christ asks us to ask forgiveness for our sins, I believe you guys have many sins against many parents , families, fathers, mothers, wives, husbands, and children. But your ministry refuses to bring to the table all the concerns of real christians and ask for forgiveness. We understand that you guys believe that you no longer sin, but I will warn you of the scripture verse of 1John, Im sure we all know it. Especially a man of your studied stature, “whoever claims to be without sin” etc… The questions of your pridefullness about how you have lifes problems solved, all the while claiming Chrsit as your source! What if you just said this is what worked for your family without saying that it is Biblical. That would be great, bc your books are not “hands down Biblical, or even extra Biblical, that is for the catholics. Many times you guys claim that your teachings are some extra biblical teachings that if you do not follow you will be cursed for life. Believe me i know you do not say that word for word, but you guys definately make many familes feel that way. You guys make families feel like you guys have some wisdom from God that He was not able to give them Himself. Personally I think that is very prideful, but generally I think you guys need to clarify for those “weak christians” that you guys are only a guide to Christ Himself and not in the end all be all. Bc if what you guys had to say was sooo important that people would not of survived without it, Im sure Christ Himself would have posted it in HIS WORD! Michael and Debi Pearl come verrrrry close to presuming they are next to Christ. I say this bc they say that if you dont train your children like I we say in our books, then you will have rebellious children that go to hell. well sorry Mr. Pearl youve only been a parent 5 times in 1-2 generations, our Christ has been a parent for many mor egenerations than you. You seem to think you have a hands down knowledge of parenting, husbandism, christianism, wifeism, and Christism. This is a very harsh declaration wqithout acknowleging that Christ gave you the ability to live free, bc He fulfilled the for YOU, but only Christ has everything Hands Down.

]]> By: sailorswife http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/poor-miss-loveless-her-sister/#comment-3021 sailorswife Mon, 09 Aug 2010 16:13:21 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=2843#comment-3021 just.me, I appreciate your concern, but I don't think that what Ezekiel did was misquoted or misunderstood. Read Matthew Henry's commentary on Ezekiel 4, which is readily available online. When you grill meat over mesquite, the meat is infused with the flavor of the mesquite wood, if you are burning brush and happen to burn poison ivy you can get horribly sick. When Ezekiel baked his bread over human dung, it would to some extent infuse it with the dung. It was a picture of what was to come for the people. Just because Mrs. Pearl didn't go into detail about this, doesn't mean she was wrong or misquoting anything. I think people need to look at things through an open door instead of a little peephole. The Pearls have used their extensive knowledge of the Bible and their deep love for the Lord with as many people as possible, in an effort to help others experience the profound love of their Savior, and enjoy the happiness that we can all have while here on earth. I, for one, am so thankful for this. just.me, I appreciate your concern, but I don’t think that what Ezekiel did was misquoted or misunderstood. Read Matthew Henry’s commentary on Ezekiel 4, which is readily available online. When you grill meat over mesquite, the meat is infused with the flavor of the mesquite wood, if you are burning brush and happen to burn poison ivy you can get horribly sick. When Ezekiel baked his bread over human dung, it would to some extent infuse it with the dung. It was a picture of what was to come for the people. Just because Mrs. Pearl didn’t go into detail about this, doesn’t mean she was wrong or misquoting anything. I think people need to look at things through an open door instead of a little peephole. The Pearls have used their extensive knowledge of the Bible and their deep love for the Lord with as many people as possible, in an effort to help others experience the profound love of their Savior, and enjoy the happiness that we can all have while here on earth. I, for one, am so thankful for this.

]]> By: just.me http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/poor-miss-loveless-her-sister/#comment-3020 just.me Sun, 08 Aug 2010 00:43:55 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=2843#comment-3020 Why hasn't anyone addressed Doreen's correction/understanding of the scripture? The Pearl's seem to have a bit of trouble in misquoting and misunderstanding the scriptures. I respectfully ask that they research/remember a bit more carefully in the future, to keep this problem to a minimum. Thank you. Why hasn’t anyone addressed Doreen’s correction/understanding of the scripture?

The Pearl’s seem to have a bit of trouble in misquoting and misunderstanding the scriptures. I respectfully ask that they research/remember a bit more carefully in the future, to keep this problem to a minimum.

Thank you.

]]> By: Lela Miller http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/poor-miss-loveless-her-sister/#comment-3019 Lela Miller Mon, 02 Aug 2010 23:13:37 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=2843#comment-3019 Hey~ I just want to say that I so appreciate Michael and Debi's "Pearls" of Wisdom that they so generously share with one and all. I am a single woman, in my mid-twenties, still living under my parents' protection. I just want to point out that, yes, God DOES have a plan for each and every one of us, and it is not the same for anyone. I do believe that we should be living our lives to the fullest, not spurning opportunities the Lord brings us to "get out" and "live." However, I do NOT think that just because a woman is single she must therefore leave her home and "be busy" so she'll meet a singe man. God has a perfect timing for everyone, and even if you think you're "rotting away" in home, if it's His will you are there and not your own, He will guide you the way He has planned. Do not put God in a box and assume that you must follow an equation to get the appropriate answer. God's ways are NOT our ways and His understanding is better than our own. Trust in God and follow His leading in your life and He will direct you in EVERYTHING. That includes finding a husband. Thanks for your encouragement, Mike and Debi! ~Lela~ Hey~
I just want to say that I so appreciate Michael and Debi’s “Pearls” of Wisdom that they so generously share with one and all.
I am a single woman, in my mid-twenties, still living under my parents’ protection. I just want to point out that, yes, God DOES have a plan for each and every one of us, and it is not the same for anyone. I do believe that we should be living our lives to the fullest, not spurning opportunities the Lord brings us to “get out” and “live.” However, I do NOT think that just because a woman is single she must therefore leave her home and “be busy” so she’ll meet a singe man. God has a perfect timing for everyone, and even if you think you’re “rotting away” in home, if it’s His will you are there and not your own, He will guide you the way He has planned. Do not put God in a box and assume that you must follow an equation to get the appropriate answer. God’s ways are NOT our ways and His understanding is better than our own. Trust in God and follow His leading in your life and He will direct you in EVERYTHING. That includes finding a husband.
Thanks for your encouragement, Mike and Debi!
~Lela~

]]> By: Anne http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/poor-miss-loveless-her-sister/#comment-3018 Anne Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:40:14 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=2843#comment-3018 I want to thank you for including this question & reply in your list of articles. I hope that parents of all the wonderful home-school girls out there will read the comments & think ahead, making an effort to meet & associate with other home-school/ believer families so their daughters, as they grow, may have hope for love & a family of their own. Attention from mainstream men with honorable intentions is always available to an attractive girl & it is so very hard to say "no" to the opportunity to be a wife and mother because of a difference in lifestyle or religious beliefs. Parents, please think of putting effort into making friendships with like minded people for your children's sake. Being home-schooled & brought up in a remote location is wonderful but at a certain age you realize you have grown up & are now an adult & you don't know anyone who your parents consider marriageable. I am 33 years old, home-schooled, brought up in a very conservative family, and was blessed with wonderful childhood & young adult years. I have been very busy and happy, but as 30 neared I have felt a loneliness that all my animals and business projects couldn't fill. I have told my parents; Mom says the Lord has everything in his plan, Dad says the time isn't yet, the lord will have a husband for you in the future & right now we need to focus on making a living for this family. I am a person of action & setting still/ just praying & and not doing anything on your own side doesn't seem right (we Bible study at home & don't go anywhere except with our livestock business). I want to ask everyone who reads this, how can we come up with a way to network/meet other young single people who have the Bible as the most important focus in their lives and want to raise a family of their own home schooled & brought up according to the Lord's will? Thank you everyone who reads this & thinks on a way to help. I want to thank you for including this question & reply in your list of articles. I hope that parents of all the wonderful home-school girls out there will read the comments & think ahead, making an effort to meet & associate with other home-school/ believer families so their daughters, as they grow, may have hope for love & a family of their own.
Attention from mainstream men with honorable intentions is always available to an attractive girl & it is so very hard to say “no” to the opportunity to be a wife and mother because of a difference in lifestyle or religious beliefs. Parents, please think of putting effort into making friendships with like minded people for your children’s sake.
Being home-schooled & brought up in a remote location is wonderful but at a certain age you realize you have grown up & are now an adult & you don’t know anyone who your parents consider marriageable. I am 33 years old, home-schooled, brought up in a very conservative family, and was blessed with wonderful childhood & young adult years. I have been very busy and happy, but as 30 neared I have felt a loneliness that all my animals and business projects couldn’t fill.
I have told my parents; Mom says the Lord has everything in his plan, Dad says the time isn’t yet, the lord will have a husband for you in the future & right now we need to focus on making a living for this family. I am a person of action & setting still/ just praying & and not doing anything on your own side doesn’t seem right (we Bible study at home & don’t go anywhere except with our livestock business). I want to ask everyone who reads this, how can we come up with a way to network/meet other young single people who have the Bible as the most important focus in their lives and want to raise a family of their own home schooled & brought up according to the Lord’s will?
Thank you everyone who reads this & thinks on a way to help.

]]> By: Felipe http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/poor-miss-loveless-her-sister/#comment-3017 Felipe Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:51:39 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=2843#comment-3017 Using Mary as an example has its faults. Mary would have had to tell her parents who in turn,had they not agreed with her decision, could have had her stoned. Obviously Joseph knew because he was pondering putting her away until the angel spoke to him. She made her decision but she was still subject to the authority in her life. Encouraging young ladies to go beyond their parents to others for help finding a spouse can be both good and bad. Good if her motive is right and her parents are in agreeance with this. On the flip side I personally know a young lady (she married my brother) who went beyond her parents, brothers and pastor counsel to marry a man that she was told would not be a wise choice. Claiming that she was 23 and could do what she wanted, she kept going until she found people in the church to support her adult postion and she not only married him, but caused lots of division in the church by going around asking trusted people for their advice. While I'm not for crippling my children or holding them back I think it would be wise for this daughter to seek her fathers counsel and above all honor him in his decisions. Using Mary as an example has its faults. Mary would have had to tell her parents who in turn,had they not agreed with her decision, could have had her stoned. Obviously Joseph knew because he was pondering putting her away until the angel spoke to him. She made her decision but she was still subject to the authority in her life.

Encouraging young ladies to go beyond their parents to others for help finding a spouse can be both good and bad. Good if her motive is right and her parents are in agreeance with this.

On the flip side I personally know a young lady (she married my brother) who went beyond her parents, brothers and pastor counsel to marry a man that she was told would not be a wise choice. Claiming that she was 23 and could do what she wanted, she kept going until she found people in the church to support her adult postion and she not only married him, but caused lots of division in the church by going around asking trusted people for their advice.

While I’m not for crippling my children or holding them back I think it would be wise for this daughter to seek her fathers counsel and above all honor him in his decisions.

]]> By: Magdalena Bieniecka http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/poor-miss-loveless-her-sister/#comment-3016 Magdalena Bieniecka Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:25:08 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=2843#comment-3016 Dear Miss Loveless and Sister. I have a message of hope for you. And be sure our hope is in Jesus. I always was fearing that I was going to be an old maid. I felt not worthy to be desired by a lovely man. But one day I prayed in unision with my two girlfriends for godly husbands. After that I just put my trust in God, I stopped looking for a man and started seeking Jesus, His kingdom and its' righteousness. Very soon afterwards I met the man of my life. And believe me or not he is the best husband in the world. Put your trust in Jesus, think of Him, work for Him and He will take you to he right place in your life. Just depend on Him and do not sit waiting for a husband. Follow Jesus - there is plenty of wonderfull things to do for His kingdom. God bless you, Magdalena Dear Miss Loveless and Sister. I have a message of hope for you. And be sure our hope is in Jesus. I always was fearing that I was going to be an old maid. I felt not worthy to be desired by a lovely man. But one day I prayed in unision with my two girlfriends for godly husbands. After that I just put my trust in God, I stopped looking for a man and started seeking Jesus, His kingdom and its’ righteousness. Very soon afterwards I met the man of my life. And believe me or not he is the best husband in the world.
Put your trust in Jesus, think of Him, work for Him and He will take you to he right place in your life. Just depend on Him and do not sit waiting for a husband. Follow Jesus – there is plenty of wonderfull things to do for His kingdom. God bless you,
Magdalena

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