Comments on: Too Young to Spank? http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/too-young-to-spank/ Over 500 articles from Michael and Debi Pearl on Child Training, Homeschooling, Family, Marriage, Christianity, the Bible, Missions, Simple Living, Gardening, and other topics! Fri, 18 May 2012 19:40:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rebecca http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/too-young-to-spank/#comment-10783 Rebecca Thu, 10 May 2012 05:53:54 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=924#comment-10783 Excellent comment, thank you. I recently acquired a small flock of sheep. My experiences with them so far have profoundly enriched my understanding of the kind of relationship God desires to have with us, and how he feels about us. Excellent comment, thank you.

I recently acquired a small flock of sheep. My experiences with them so far have profoundly enriched my understanding of the kind of relationship God desires to have with us, and how he feels about us.

]]> By: Sherry http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/too-young-to-spank/#comment-10770 Sherry Tue, 08 May 2012 15:35:50 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=924#comment-10770 <p>You've completely missed the point. The child is not corrected for disliking the food, the child needs to be corrected for throwing the bowl on the floor. If you're going to make an argument against something, at least make it a logical argument.</p> You've completely missed the point. The child is not corrected for disliking the food, the child needs to be corrected for throwing the bowl on the floor. If you're going to make an argument against something, at least make it a logical argument.

]]> By: Shianne http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/too-young-to-spank/#comment-10171 Shianne Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:50:04 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=924#comment-10171 "How to Train a Parent" - I love it, and RAAH, you are so right. Parenting these days has become lazy (as I believe spanking, yelling, etc are all forms of lazy parenting). Children, no people in general, learn best by example. Therefore, shouldn't we be guiding our children and modeling the behaviors we would hope to see in them? If we teach them hitting is wrong, why on earth would one spank, slap, smack, etc? It's hypocritical. Thy Rod and Thy Staff, They Comfort Me by Samuel Martin is an EXCELLENT book on the true Biblical meaning, understanding and application of the rod scriptures, and delves into the Hebrew understanding (and texts) of those scriptures. Spanking was NEVER what those scriptures meant. “How to Train a Parent” – I love it, and RAAH, you are so right. Parenting these days has become lazy (as I believe spanking, yelling, etc are all forms of lazy parenting).

Children, no people in general, learn best by example. Therefore, shouldn’t we be guiding our children and modeling the behaviors we would hope to see in them?
If we teach them hitting is wrong, why on earth would one spank, slap, smack, etc?
It’s hypocritical.
Thy Rod and Thy Staff, They Comfort Me by Samuel Martin is an EXCELLENT book on the true Biblical meaning, understanding and application of the rod scriptures, and delves into the Hebrew understanding (and texts) of those scriptures.
Spanking was NEVER what those scriptures meant.

]]> By: RAAH http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/too-young-to-spank/#comment-9963 RAAH Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:35:38 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=924#comment-9963 I must say I find the example of a 6-month old baby flinging the bowl of food to be a strange one,perhaps no other "socially unacceptable" behaviour came to mind? Most,if not all 6-month olds,will not have the proper hand-eye coordination to eat with a spoon,so there's no reason to let the bowl be within their grasp.The only problem here would be expecting too much of your child's abilities,certainly not an opportunity to start "early training". It's true what is stated in one of the other comments,that firmness of resolve and consistency is essential to teaching a child what is acceptable behaviour..I just fail to see where the need for spanking or swatting comes in,especially in regards to a very small child. If the ability to control one's feelings,that would be needed to correctly apply the "chastisement" mentioned, is present already,there should be no problem in just denying the toddler the object/action and enduring the resultant flurry of objection.Never giving in will quickly teach a child that you can't get everything you want,right now. Of course,most parents will, at some point or other,lose their patience with the child during this constant "training",that upbringing is. In my opinion,that's where the problem with spanking comes in..there is a world of difference between screaming at a small child in a fit of rage,and spanking "just a little too hard". The first will give most normal parents a very unpleasant feeling of remorse..the latter,well.. I certainly feel there should be a book named "How to train a parent" or some such,that would be recommended reading to any that wanted to practice this "training" on their child. I must say I find the example of a 6-month old baby flinging the bowl of food to be a strange one,perhaps no other “socially unacceptable” behaviour came to mind?
Most,if not all 6-month olds,will not have the proper hand-eye coordination to eat with a spoon,so there’s no reason to let the bowl be within their grasp.The only problem here would be expecting too much of your child’s abilities,certainly not an opportunity to start “early training”.

It’s true what is stated in one of the other comments,that firmness of resolve and consistency is essential to teaching a child what is acceptable behaviour..I just fail to see where the need for spanking or swatting comes in,especially in regards to a very small child. If the ability to control one’s feelings,that would be needed to correctly apply the “chastisement” mentioned, is present already,there should be no problem in just denying the toddler the object/action and enduring the resultant flurry of objection.Never giving in will quickly teach a child that you can’t get everything you want,right now.
Of course,most parents will, at some point or other,lose their patience with the child during this constant “training”,that upbringing is. In my opinion,that’s where the problem with spanking comes in..there is a world of difference between screaming at a small child in a fit of rage,and spanking “just a little too hard”. The first will give most normal parents a very unpleasant feeling of remorse..the latter,well..

I certainly feel there should be a book named “How to train a parent” or some such,that would be recommended reading to any that wanted to practice this “training” on their child.

]]> By: Sandra http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/too-young-to-spank/#comment-9164 Sandra Wed, 04 Apr 2012 16:04:06 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=924#comment-9164 Tim, I may not be a parent, but I was involved with taking care of my little sisters. My mothers taught me that a firm, "No." usually was a shock enough to stop the bad behavior. My mothers also taught my little brothers this. So when my sisters (at about 9 months) would do something like try to hit while playing, the older sibling would stop playing and firmly say, "No. Do not _____." If they did it twice in a row, the third time they were put into the corner, on their chair, with a timer for 10 seconds. My little sisters went through a phase around 2 years old, where they would get frustrated, and then would try to hit something to show their frustrations because they didn't have the vocabulary (they felt) to verbalize it. I remember Amelia one day got frustrated because she didn't know the word for what she wanted. Her fists tensed up, she raised a fist, and then she walked to the time out corner, and sat herself down. For a few minutes she shakily breathed in and out, and when she calmed down she came out of time out, went up to me and apologized for thinking about doing something bad. She was able to see that not only is it bad to do something that you're not supposed to do, but it is also bad to think about doing something your not supposed to do. I think a time out gives a child a place to calm down and take a minute away from the world, as well as a good way to train children. Tim, I may not be a parent, but I was involved with taking care of my little sisters. My mothers taught me that a firm, “No.” usually was a shock enough to stop the bad behavior. My mothers also taught my little brothers this. So when my sisters (at about 9 months) would do something like try to hit while playing, the older sibling would stop playing and firmly say, “No. Do not _____.” If they did it twice in a row, the third time they were put into the corner, on their chair, with a timer for 10 seconds.

My little sisters went through a phase around 2 years old, where they would get frustrated, and then would try to hit something to show their frustrations because they didn’t have the vocabulary (they felt) to verbalize it. I remember Amelia one day got frustrated because she didn’t know the word for what she wanted. Her fists tensed up, she raised a fist, and then she walked to the time out corner, and sat herself down. For a few minutes she shakily breathed in and out, and when she calmed down she came out of time out, went up to me and apologized for thinking about doing something bad. She was able to see that not only is it bad to do something that you’re not supposed to do, but it is also bad to think about doing something your not supposed to do.

I think a time out gives a child a place to calm down and take a minute away from the world, as well as a good way to train children.

]]> By: Disgusted http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/too-young-to-spank/#comment-9140 Disgusted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 07:06:09 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=924#comment-9140 speaking from reiviewing every experiment/study/all the info known involving human brain function and the training of children as well as animals, you are actually wrong. And the bible concurs, seeing as how Jesus taught with parables, not by hitting the pharisees speaking from reiviewing every experiment/study/all the info known involving human brain function and the training of children as well as animals, you are actually wrong. And the bible concurs, seeing as how Jesus taught with parables, not by hitting the pharisees

]]> By: Disgusted http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/too-young-to-spank/#comment-9132 Disgusted Wed, 04 Apr 2012 05:49:41 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=924#comment-9132 Even this article explains the difference between 5yr old and 6month olds. also you used an awful logical fallacy. "An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form: Person A makes claim X. Person B makes an attack on person A. Therefore A's claim is false. The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made). " so says the niktor project. It doesn't matter if she's in child care. In fact, it could be used as an ethos viewpoint (if she were) to strengthen her argument. My guess is that she isn't and is just a reasonable person. And again., completely right. Even this article explains the difference between 5yr old and 6month olds. also you used an awful logical fallacy.
“An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of “argument” has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A’s claim is false.
The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made). ”
so says the niktor project. It doesn’t matter if she’s in child care. In fact, it could be used as an ethos viewpoint (if she were) to strengthen her argument. My guess is that she isn’t and is just a reasonable person. And again., completely right.

]]> By: Tim http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/too-young-to-spank/#comment-9041 Tim Mon, 02 Apr 2012 08:01:42 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=924#comment-9041 Sane, you don't sound so great with your comment. I believe the author is addressing the age whereby the kid is too young for reasoning but yet requires disciplining. That is where the jolt comes in. We should look at it more like conditioning and not punishment. If you start having kids of your own you will understand perfectly the dilemma parents of older infants face. Sane, you don’t sound so great with your comment. I believe the author is addressing the age whereby the kid is too young for reasoning but yet requires disciplining. That is where the jolt comes in. We should look at it more like conditioning and not punishment. If you start having kids of your own you will understand perfectly the dilemma parents of older infants face.

]]> By: nicole http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/too-young-to-spank/#comment-8634 nicole Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:04:40 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=924#comment-8634 becky your a child care worker arent you? either that or a cotton wool parent. sure babies learn when they fling their food on the floor, they also learn using toys, and better yet they learn when they throw food on the floor and you laugh it off that its ok so they continue to do it, then they think hey maybe i'll throw something else and something else until you end up with a 5yr old throwing chairs. when does it stop being learning and start being bad behaviour? technically i can make a case for the 5yr old throwing chairs, she was learning cause and effect, she was learning ways to deal with anger and frustration albeit inappropriate, she was learning scare tactics and she was also testing boundaries...still learning, but that doesnt make it ok. learning is not an excuse for bad behaviour. if your 6month old wants to learn about cause and effect and gravity, get them a ball. becky your a child care worker arent you? either that or a cotton wool parent. sure babies learn when they fling their food on the floor, they also learn using toys, and better yet they learn when they throw food on the floor and you laugh it off that its ok so they continue to do it, then they think hey maybe i’ll throw something else and something else until you end up with a 5yr old throwing chairs. when does it stop being learning and start being bad behaviour? technically i can make a case for the 5yr old throwing chairs, she was learning cause and effect, she was learning ways to deal with anger and frustration albeit inappropriate, she was learning scare tactics and she was also testing boundaries…still learning, but that doesnt make it ok. learning is not an excuse for bad behaviour. if your 6month old wants to learn about cause and effect and gravity, get them a ball.

]]> By: nicole http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/too-young-to-spank/#comment-8633 nicole Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:48:31 +0000 http://new.nogreaterjoy.org/?p=924#comment-8633 there is a big difference between discipline and obedience. no one said we should go back to the days when children were expected to be seen and not heard but i do believe we should go back to the days when parents had a right to punish bad behaviour. is it any wonder we have children ganging up and beating people or teenagers who think its ok to attack the elderly, when parents no longer have the rights to discipline their children appropriately. im a daycare worker and i see too many children with behaviour issues every single day because their parents treat the children like kings. i dont believe in beating children or anyone for that matter but with a little education and a clear definition of the difference between discipline and abuse the world would be a much better place and children would be much safer and better behaved. there is a big difference between discipline and obedience. no one said we should go back to the days when children were expected to be seen and not heard but i do believe we should go back to the days when parents had a right to punish bad behaviour. is it any wonder we have children ganging up and beating people or teenagers who think its ok to attack the elderly, when parents no longer have the rights to discipline their children appropriately. im a daycare worker and i see too many children with behaviour issues every single day because their parents treat the children like kings. i dont believe in beating children or anyone for that matter but with a little education and a clear definition of the difference between discipline and abuse the world would be a much better place and children would be much safer and better behaved.

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