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Mail Bag - Breastfed

By Michael Pearl

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Debi Pearl:  Papa and I are going to record so y'all go ahead and shut the door. [door closing]

Child 1:  Let's play castle! I'll be the dragon attacking the walls!

Child 2:  OK, then I'll be the knight. You can be the princess, Nomise.

Announcer:  There are all sorts of schools of thought on breast feeding. This week on Vintage Answers, Debi shares some old fashioned common sense.

Debi:  Dear Michael and Debbie, thank you so much for your books and tapes. My husband doesn't have time to read these days, but he can listen to the tapes while he's driving. They have been very helpful, but we still have work to do to get our children obedient. We just had our third blessing this past spring. Our daughter is the hardest one, probably because we didn't know what to do with her when she was younger. Our son now is getting to be disobedient, but we are really trying to be consistent. It seems so hard for me and every once in a while I get angrier than I should. I have prayed and prayed, but I just can't seem to get rid of the anger I feel sometimes, when they do things that they know they're not supposed to do. How can I know if I'm expecting too much?

The main reason I'm writing though is a question I have about infant feeding. What are your thoughts about demand feeding versus schedule? My newborn wants to eat often. I'm trying to get him on a schedule, but sometimes he gets full right away, then he's hungry soon after. Sometimes he sleeps for four or five hours.

There are Christian books that teach we need to get them on schedule, and books that teach that we need to feed them often, and through the night. Naturally space our children the way God intended. Which way is right? Can I do the latter and still train them up right?

I don't feed him every time he cries, he lets me know when he wants to eat. But sometimes I just don't know. He won't nurse if he isn't hungry, it seems. Both teachings say: "God is the God of order", but uses it differently. One side says they should sleep through the night by eight weeks, and one says to feed them through the night with the baby in your bed. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on the subject. Thank you.

Michael Pearl:  Well Deb there's not much I can answer on that, you've had plenty of experience there. We'll address that first part about the anger first. Let's let you deal with this part on the child feeding.

Debi:  I don't know why I didn't know about nursing. I live in a community here with ladies that have at least 10 children by the time they're 40. I went from house to house asking the ladies, about a year ago, "how did you nurse your babies?" All of them answered, the way I nurse my babies. We didn't have somebody to tell us how to do it, so we just did what came naturally. What came naturally was we fed our children when they were hungry. Some newborn babies are very small and need to be fed more often. The larger babies a lot of times will completely drain your breast and get all of the cream, and therefore will sleep a lot longer. There is a principle that you need to understand and that is, once your milk does come in, and you've got a good flow of milk, the first milk that the baby nurses is sugar milk.

Then as the baby drains your breast, you have cream, just like with a cow. If you've ever milked a cow, when you first start milking...I'm not talking the first few weeks after the calf is born I'm talking about a month or two after the calf is born or when the baby is two or three months old. Your milk is kind of a blueish color, it's clear looking.

Then as you completely strip the cow clean the last part of the milk is real thick, it's cream. Same way with a mother. If you nurse your baby too often, that baby's constantly just taking the light milk and that sugar milk will give your child diarrhea. As the baby learns to drain the breast totally, then that baby's getting heavy cream milk, which will cause it to sleep longer and not have diarrhea, not have so much stomach ache and colic.

You have a principle here, you want to cause that child to be hungry enough to completely drain the breast dry so it will get plenty of cream. Therefore, not have so much stomach problems and sleep longer and get the fat that he needs.

Another thing, if you let a little baby cry because its hungry, it gets so exhausted it can't eat. Mothers trying to stick to a schedule will often cause their child harm by not allowing that child to eat soon enough, so the child's so tired he can't nurse as much as he needs to nurse, so a mother needs to use wisdom in making a decision.

People that write books write books because you need the information. You need to take that information and use it wisely. Don't just say," OK, this lady says this so I'm going to believe her, and this lady says this and I'm not going to believe her."

You need to take that information...If you have a little five pound baby you know that baby is going to need a little more care than a great big 10 pound baby, as far as watching out for the nursing and making sure it gets what it needs and just taking care of a tinier infant.

As far as nursing overnight, I usually tried to nurse my babies and make sure they were tired late in the evening. I kept them awake from seven o'clock in the evening till nine and played with them, even though they wanted to doze off. Made sure they were real good and hungry and then nursed them about nine or 10 o'clock, and they would usually sleep till four o'clock, but sometimes they didn't.

But my house was cold and I kept my babies in the bed with me. I really never woke up completely, when they nursed. I'd just roll them back and I'd pat their little backs to help them burp. It didn't disturb my sleep and it really didn't disturb their sleep. I let nature take its course.

Now remember, when I was nursing my children there was a woman that I never saw her go for 30 minutes without nursing her baby. He just nursed, nursed, nursed, nursed. She seemed to be sickly and her baby seemed to be sickly, and I knew at the time that was not the way to do it. I couldn't tell her why. I just knew at the time that was not the way to do it.

You need to use wisdom and judgment. Some children need to eat more often, but you don't need to pacify their emotional upsets or use the breast to satisfy their constant need to suck or their constant need to be there with mama. Use good judgment and keep your baby good and healthy.

Michael:  The fact that she had several authors with extreme different views indicates that there's room for a lot of different views and different positions out there. Why? I suppose it's because there are no fast rules here. Some things will work well for one baby or one mother and other things will work well for another baby and another mother. Also, circumstances differ. In other words, how the mother works or how many kids are in the house. Different variations can occur in a family lifestyle that would dictate different responses, so just don't come under guilt when you fail to conform to someone else's pattern.

Search around your own experience, your own child and see what works well for you. I would think the main rules you'd need to look for is, number one, you want to feed your child thoroughly, you want your child to be well nourished. Whatever it takes to keep your child well nourished, do that.

Secondly, you don't want to use the breast, or a pacifier, or a sucking thumb, or anything like that to cause a child just to indulge the sucking appetite or the eating appetite to satisfy emotional needs. Then, a young child doesn't have much more than two or three needs, need to eat, need to be held, need to be kept warm and dry.

When a child is very young like that their very existence is to be indulged by their mother. As they get a little older you have to begin to wean them off of indulgence and cause them to face the bigger world around them.

But when our children were very young my wife held that baby quite a bit. That baby slept with us. The baby was close to her. She just comforted that baby like a baby was in the womb. Let your mothers instinct take over there, and do what you feel is right for your baby, and for you, and the circumstances you live in.

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Announcer:  Come back next week as the other question in this letter about parental anger is answered. As always, don't forget to check out this week's specials at Cane Creek Corner.

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4 comments on “Mail Bag - Breastfed”

  1. This is such amazing advice, I wish I'd heard it before we had our first child in 2009!
    Our first son was smaller and very "needy." I tried to take all the advice I was given (nurse on a schedule, never less than 3 hours between feedings, etc.) and nurse according to the books, in particular one called "On Becoming Baby Wise" because it was highly thought of by several women in our church. Needless to say, it didn't work for me. I know it seems to work for some ladies, but I became a crazy, sleep deprived woman because I suddenly had this starving little baby who wanted to nurse every hour and screamed half the night, every night.
    Finally, my husband (ever my voice of reason) said "Let's step back and reevaluate what we're doing." We decided to feed Adam when he was hungry, not on a schedule, and to spend more time cuddling and holding at night, including in our bed. I know, totally against society's rules, but look where they got us anyway. The change in just a couple nights was dramatic. He no longer seemed demanding, fretful or easily upset. He began sleeping four hour blocks during the night, no more colicky screaming.
    My baby just needed me to be a Mama! To love and hold him and feed him, without looking at a schedule, a clock or jumping up to put him down in his bed because the books said I had to! Adam nursed happily for 14 months and self weaned with no problems.
    When our second, Jack, was born in September 2011 I was a much more relaxed, happy mom. I never looked at the clock or wondered if he should be hungry. I just fed him when he needed it and amazingly he began setting himself a regular routine, even sleeping 4-5 hour blocks at night within the first month! This son just turned a year and has begun weaning himself as well. I praise God for the ability to nurse our babies and a reasonable husband who was able to see the problem and help me correct it.

  2. The advice here - to try to understand your baby and feed your baby so he or she will grow and develop is correct. Research is showing more and more evidence that God's design for babies - breast milk from the breast - is what develops a child in the way his genes were designed and that substituting bottles, processed baby foods, pacifiers, etc. does not give a child the best start in life. As we have better and better tools for observing the human body and correcting problems, we are also finding out that it is not only genes but the activation of the genes that influences both the growth of good outcomes and the growth of negative outcomes. Some of that research has shown that different women have differing abilities to both make and store milk. This potential influences the frequency of a baby's need to feed as well as the cream content of the milk. A baby's anatomy and the position used to feed can also affect milk transfer and milk supply. When a mom is having breastfeeding issues, it is often helpful to find a knowledgeable, experienced, educated and God-fearing lactation specialist to help analyze what the issues are and help mom and baby move to a comfortable and happy relationship. It is no accident that research shows that babies who nurse for the length of time that is recorded in the Bible grow up with much fewer physical, emotional and mental issues. At the root of conflicting advice are two problems: one - trying to apply cookie cutter solutions to uniquely designed human beings, two - trying to make guarantees when dealing with human beings.

  3. I wish I had known what I know now with my first. I think either I wasn't drinking enough water (quite likely), or I just wasn't producing quite enough milk for some other reason. But my first child nursed almost constantly. When she was around 3 months old, a friend shared Babywise with me (or rather, the precursor to it). I tried to implement it, and although she didn't complain or fuss, she didn't gain enough weight. She was raring to go when I introduced solids at a little under 6 months old, and she has been very slender all her life--barely 16 pounds at 12 months, and even now at 6 years old she is tall but very slender. I expect she will always be--her daddy is 5'9" and is stuck around 140 pounds--can't gain unless he works out and builds muscle. She's healthy, though, so I'm not concerned.
    With my second, well, he fell into a 3-hour feeding schedule by his second or third day of life. He just wasn't hungry before then. It took him several months to sleep through the night (I don't remember--4 or 5), and then he quit sleeping through the night for a while. We finally let him cry it out around 10 months because I was exhausted and he wasn't really eating, just suckling for comfort, and he wasn't co-sleeping anymore (I did that with both kids for a few months). He also had a lot of allergies, so he was a bit of a special case. But he nursed exclusively for almost 10 months--simply wasn't interested in food until then--and he was a more chunky than his sister was, very healthy. They both had the same birth weight, btw (7 lb 12 oz).
    Then came baby #3. He was smaller, at 6 lb 15 oz. I didn't bother with any kind of schedule for the first couple of weeks, but then I felt like I needed one, so I tried a 3-hour schedule. It didn't work. He kept waking up early, so I changed it to a 2.5 hour schedule (during the day). I didn't bother with all the other Babywise stuff about when to lay them down, scheduling this and that. I don't even own the book anyway. I just stuck with the eat-play-sleep cycle, and would wake the baby during the day to keep him on schedule (I didn't wake him at night, but fed him if he woke). This had him sleeping through the night in less than 3 months, and though he has gone on and off of that since then, he is a very contented baby. My chubbiest so far. As he grew, I gradually stretched his feedings out (corresponding to how long he could stay awake between naps), and now at 5 1/2 months he has one 4-hour stretch first thing in the morning, then a couple 3.5 hour stretches, then 3 hours between the last two feedings of the day, for a total of 5 feedings during the day. I will nurse him if he wakes up hungry (meaning he won't go back to sleep with a minute or two of fussing--I can tell the difference between fussing and hunger), but the last 3 nights he has slept through the night. This has also corresponded to my being more vigilant with the schedule. It helps my sleep, since he hasn't been co-sleeping with me much. I had issues during this last pregnancy with my hips and couldn't sleep in bed for a couple of months after the birth (and several before), and it's hard to co-sleep in a recliner, and by the time I was back in bed, he was used to sleeping in the bassinet.
    I have found that scheduling helps my sanity. However, I am not overly strict with it. I will usually wake a baby to keep them on schedule, especially early on, but if they are truly hungry before the scheduled time, I'll sit down and feed them and adjust the schedule accordingly (or forget it until the next day). Today I was late getting lunch and he woke up before his feeding time and rested contentedly in the swing for about half an hour, watching everything going on around him. I was actually late with the feeding (because everyone else was starving, including myself, and he wasn't crying for food, so I figured we were hungrier than he was). He's come to trust that I will meet his needs, so since he wasn't starving he was content to wait. As soon as the meal was done, I sat down to eat it and feed him, and he was very happy about that. 🙂

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